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Monday, April 26, 2010

First Arrests Under New Arizona Immigration Law Announced

ARIZONA (INAC News) - Three suspected illegal aliens were reported arrested in Southern Arizona early Sunday morning. News of the arrests are only now becoming public. According to Santa Cruz County Sheriff Juan Ojosbuenos, William Loper, Mary Daly, and Hans Kung were all spotted walking their dogs before dawn.

The three suspects had their animals on leashes in a local park, cleaning up after the dogs had their morning constitutional.

The three individuals are the first people detained under a controversial new law signed Friday by Arizona Governor Jan Brewer.

Here is a transcript of a hastily called news conference from Sunday Evening.

Sheriff Juan - Buenos dias, dejar me un momento hacer, oops, I forgot you all don’t speak Spanish. As I was saying, give me a moment to make a statement and then you can ask your questions.

I want to say that the Sheriffs Department of Santa Cruz County acted completely within the new law. Governor Brewer signed the law Friday, and our job as members of the law enforcement community is to uphold that law, whether we agree with it or not.

My officers saw the suspected illegal aliens walking their dogs in the park. As they approached the individuals, our officers felt something was just not quite right. When they asked each of the people for proof of citizenship, all they could produce were drivers licenses, Costco cards, and a host of credit cards, none of which can legally used to establish legal right to be in the United States.

Since none of the three could prove citizenship, or provide the requested documentation, they were taken into custody.

I am thankful the members of my department put aside their personal dislikes of this new law and did their job. Now I will take a few questions.

Samuel Delamigra - La Opinion ~ Sheriff, how did you determine that these people might have been illegal?

Sheriff Juan - It was very simple, we watched them, observed their actions, and from that, made an accurate judgement that this group of individuals was not from here, and therefore had to be here illegally.

Maria Lamojada- Univision ~ But what was it that led you to initially suspect that these people were illegals? How did you justify probable cause?

Sheriff Juan - First of all, they looked different from the rest of here in Southern Arizona. And then, they had their dogs on a leash. Come on Maria, you’re from Mexico, you know we don’t walk our dogs on leashes and we certainly don’t carry bags with us to pick up dog… uh, poop. Can I say that?

Peter Lelo - Fox News ~ Hold on Sheriff, are you saying that you could tell these people are illegal based on how they looked and just their actions?

Sheriff Juan - Yes I am. Look, you heard Congressman Bilbray on Friday didn’t you? He said you can tell people were illegal, or don’t belong, by the way they’re dressed, “right down to their shoes.”. All three of these people had nice clothes, designer shoes, and, well they just stood out. So we took them into custody.

Peter Lelo - A follow up question Sheriff... you just looked at the people, and made a judgment based on that?

Sheriff Juan - Peter, Peter, Peter... you know us better than that here. We looked at other things too. Like their car. It was a Volvo. Ain’t nobody around here driving a Volvo. We all drive Chevys man. That, and the fact it had dents from some intentional accidents, were real red flags. Those dents were real man, probably from an accident targeting us real citizens, like Senator McCain said.

Look, here is what we did. We were patrolling an area where we have had some problems. In the course of that patrolling, we spotted three people in an area where they stood out and were acting in a way not consistent with the general population of that area. We stopped them and asked to see proof of their citizenship, which they were unable to produce. We then arrested them in accordance with the recent law signed by Governor Brewer.

If they are innocent, as some people are telling me, when we see their birth certificates they will be released from custody. Until that time, they are in jail, awaiting arraignment.

No mas preguntas. Gracias por su tiempo.

Comments on "First Arrests Under New Arizona Immigration Law Announced"

 

Blogger Satyavati devi dasi said ... (5:45 PM) : 

Well, you know.. this makes me think. What DO you carry to prove your citizenship?

Drivers license? Nope.

SS card? Nope.

Credit card? Nope.

Do I have to start carrying my birth certficate around? My name was legally changed for religious reasons, and I haven't had my birth certificate altered yet.. do I have to carry a copy of the court order too, or I get put into custody?

Food for thought.

 

Blogger Tim said ... (5:57 PM) : 

I usually have my passport in the car because I may from time to time go to Canada. It's the gold standard of identification.

 

Blogger Satyavati devi dasi said ... (6:00 PM) : 

I don't have a passport because 1. my birth certificate hasn't been changed and 2. I haven't left the country since 1986.

Are we headed to the 'National ID Card'??

If I decided to go to Sedona to visit a temple, and I was in a sari, with tilak, bindi, and chaddar, and some cop decided to stop me and ask me if I was a citizen (versus some illegal fresh off the boat from Mumbai), how would I prove I was? And why should I have to go through all the expense (and hassle) of getting a passport if I don't intend to leave the country?

These are valid questions. I pass for Anglo (India)n all the time. What's to stop a cop from deciding I might be illegal.

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (7:10 PM) : 

So Tim, what happens if sometimes snakes your car...

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (7:11 PM) : 

Saty, that name change stuff for married women could be a real hangup in Arizona these days...

 

Blogger dmarks said ... (6:58 AM) : 

There are lots of illegal aliens around who are not Latino at all. I recently read Craig Ferguson's autobiography. He was an illegal alien in the US for a while earlier in his life.

So, how many do you think will be arrested who aren't Latino?

It'll really be rich when one of Arizona's Native American population is arrested for looking like a Mexican. "Go back home!!!!"

 

Blogger Z-man said ... (10:31 AM) : 

You can't make this stuff up. When I first read it it sounded like a skit on SNL. The three guys stood out because they had their dogs on leashes and picked up after them and because they drove Volvos, what does that say about the rest of that law-abiding community?

 

Blogger roy said ... (11:05 AM) : 

wonderful take on this issue, Dave

 

Blogger Jerry Critter said ... (6:51 PM) : 

Very funny, Dave. Although the chances of it really happening are about zero...unless you look Latino. White illegal aliens? They exist and will never be arrested.

 

Blogger Z said ... (8:31 AM) : 

One does have to be legal to have a driver's license...so far...that is a proof of legality. I'd wondered the same thing but had forgotten this...
Very good post, Dave!
The point about white illegals is a perfect one for supporting this bill; at least cops can ASK NOW. (except, come to think of it, they probably COULD ask whites but not hispanics) Yes, if they commit a crime, they can be asked and, if they flunk, they're taken in.

 

Blogger Tim said ... (2:59 PM) : 

Z-Illegals can get a driver's license. If they are on a temp visa they can get one for three years. If the visa expires they do not take away the license. Not only that, but they can easily renew it when it expires by merely presenting their existing license. So a driver license is not the gold standard that a passport is.

Dave, if someone breaks into my car I have a photocopy of my passport, so I can get a replacement. The new passports are way more tamperproof than the old ones so it would be hard to use someone eles's by adding your photo.

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (3:46 PM) : 

Also, regarding the license issue, there are lots of fakes that work just as well as a real one.

Tim, you hit on one of the biggest sources of illegal immigration we have.

People who come here legally and then overstay their welcome, or visa.

 

Blogger Tim said ... (5:17 PM) : 

Dave, there is a lot of silly hysteria from the rightwing (tea baggers) on this issue. I read a letter to the editor from a local newspaper that said "if Obama can get amnesty for 15-30 million illegals through congress before Nov. they will all vote Democratic, and jam their socialist policies down our throats". This statement is ridiculous! Even if they did grant the illegals amnesty with some law in the next couple of months there is NO WAY that they could vote in the Nov. 2010 elections. First of all, they would just be legal residents and only a US citizen could vote in an election. It could take them YEARS to become naturalized American citizens, but that is the mentality of the current right wing. Whip up the base so that they hamstring the government from meaningfully addressing any issue whatsoever. Achieve as much gridlock as possible, to hell with dealing with the debt, healthcare, jobs, banking reform, or anything. Obstruct, obstruct, obsrtuct.

 

Anonymous TREXPRESS said ... (5:00 AM) : 

DUH! What part of ILLEGAL don't you and your dumb ass liberal cohorts understand? I have a great idea for you, the next time anyone asks you for your driver's license or ID to buy an over the counter pills or a pack of ciggs. or anything else, tell them to stuff it because Obama said it's profiling.
So if you or anyone else reading this is ILLEGAL don't let the border fence hit you in butt on the way out..

 

Blogger Tim said ... (6:23 AM) : 

TRX-? When did I say I approved of illegal aliens? Maybe you should actually READ the whole comment. But face it, we are not going to get them to just leave and we will also not just go out there and do a big round up like the tea baggers imagine, either. As I said earlier, showing a drivers license does NOT prove you are a legal resident of America.
I see that you are a fellow veteran like myself. Thank you for serving.

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (8:47 AM) : 

Well Trexpress, you have a lot there. I don't think anyone here cannot understand the concept of illegal.

What many conservatives, and maybe you included seem unable to do is come up with some real, workable solutions. It seems to me that the sum total of ideas is arrest them all and send them back home.

Yet there is never any thought given to how that might work in the real world where we live and where the constitution carries the day.

I've posted my suggestions here http://adventurenotes.blogspot.com/2010/04/arizona-immigration-and-christianity.html.

Now as for your profiling point, I've seen this canard on some other sites too suggesting that if someone is asked for ID before a credit card purchase that is somehow profiling.

Generally that is only true if the people asking for ID do not have a consistently applicable standard.

Most companies I know ID everyone who uses credit cards, so by definition, it is consistent, and not profiling.

The same understanding applies for the simple purchase of cigarettes or booze. To protect themselves from charges of profiling and discrimination, companies have zero tolerance policies in place.

On a national level, if you want to have that, it would be a national ID card, issued by the government.

But for me, that sounds a little like big brother socialism and governmental control, don't you think?

 

Blogger TAO said ... (10:29 AM) : 

Dave,

Why not join us at http://democracycentral.ning.com/

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:22 AM) : 

What is wrong with a NATIONAL ID CARD.Then you are asking everyone, who is stopped,regardles of race. Now it is not profiling or racist. Sounds like a good idea to me.

 

Blogger Jerry Critter said ... (9:36 AM) : 

A national ID card does not solve the problem of profiling or racism. The problem of profiling and racism comes in when selecting who to question. A national ID card is simply a means of verification.

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (9:43 AM) : 

Well said jerry...

I was reading this am where te number of illegal immigrants has actually been in a pretty steep decline to to among other factors, our economy, increased enforcement on the border, and employer sanctions started under Bush and continued under Obama.

Most estimates now put us under 11 million, down from almost 15 million about 5 years ago.

 

Anonymous Non Elitist said ... (3:24 PM) : 

Satyavati devi dasi asked for food for thought.
Think about this.
I notice that our Dear Zippy loves to toss around the word "Fairness," a lot.
If anything it only reinforces the need for such legislation and enforcement.
We are one of the few sucker nations on the planet that will let people in illegally due to the cultivation of Political Correctness which is simply a guilt ploy for some people to get whatever they want simply by playing victim and allowing politicians to pander to that so-called guilt and victim-hood.
If certain politicians really cared about this country they would advocate the application of laws that are already on the books. Doing that, the bare minimum expectation of the law makers in this country, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place!
Let me define "certain politicians":
Mostly defecrats that only care about pandering to the lowest common denominator for political gain, in other words votes and money from untold sources, instead of what is healthy for the nation.
We have immigration laws in place for good reasons. For the general health and well being of the United States of America. Meet the requirements and you will be embraced. Don't really know if having hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens parading angrily through the streets helps the open borders/pro-illegal immigration/pro-voter fraud crowd. I tend to think it scares and energizes real us Americans.
Also stop the left wing medias constant harping on "immigration". It is illegal immigration that is the problem, you lefties can't seem to get that into your think skulls..

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (7:32 AM) : 

Non Elitist, there's a lot here.

As for political correctness, I agree that our country has gone too far down this path. However with that said, our immigration issues started long before the PC crowd got involved. Our recent immigration problems stem mainly from the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, not Political Correctness.

I love it when people use terms like certain politicians. Why won't you use actual names? Is it easier to hide behind terms like that and cute names like defecrats?

Maybe you are not aware that Former President Bush and the GOP candidate for President in 2010, John McCain both supported immigration reform?

Maybe you are not aware that the last general amnesty for illegal aliens did not happen under a Democratic Admin, but under President Reagan, the darling of the political right.

Now as for whether laws are being enforced or not, you are correct in that our government has been pretty lax in this. But again, and this an area those that support the GOP should really consider what they are saying, this problem is historically Repulican.

Up until the election of Barack Obama, we have had Republican Administrations for 28 of the previous years. Are you getting that? The majority of time that people like you and GOP apologists say America has been going downhill has ben marked by members of the Grand Old Party in the White House.

You might be interested to know that our illegal alien numbers have decreased under Obama because of two main factors: 1: A slow economy and 2: Increased enforcement of employer sanctions. People who study this stuff say the numbers have dropped from a high of 15 million under Pres Bush to less than 11 million under Obama.

Finally, take your stinking real American crap and smoke it. Real Americans come in all shapes, sizes, colors, ethnicities, and speak many languages.

I know you non elitist types may not know it, but in the Civil War we had people who spoke no English fighting against real Americans, and they too were real American Citizens.

Enjoy your day non elitist and... read a book.

 

Anonymous Ummahgummah said ... (11:22 AM) : 

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

 

Blogger Jerry Critter said ... (11:36 AM) : 

And just what exactly is Dave lying about? You seem to have forgotten that part in your rant.

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (2:01 PM) : 

Ummahgummah, well, it seems as if the authorities issued a few extra day passes today.

So, where exactly did I lie?

And where is the evidence for your charges? Are you saying stuff is happening that even right wing TASS News, oops, I mean Fox News, is not reporting?

Now if you like to read, you can take a look through my blog and see where i have actually suggested some sensible solutions, something the reactionaries on the right seem unable to do.

I have even repeatedly asked on another web site for some conservative suggestions and all I hear is how us Libs want to see our country over run.

But of course, no solutions, suggestions, or anything remotely close to positive engagement.

Now, you are going to see that your comments have been deleted. That's because you seem unable to communicate in an adult way.

Think of it like this, as Colin Cowheard puts it on his show on ESPN Radio.

This is a Big Boy Blog. No cussing, we expect rational thoughts, and respect.

Since you seem unable to so that, your comments were deleted.

You are welcome here when you can participate and communicate like a big boy.

Adios Muchacho! Suerte...

 

Blogger Tim said ... (4:36 PM) : 

(Hands clapping) Bravo Dave! Silly attacking with no substance. I read Ummahgummah's assinine comment before you deleted it. I looked at his blog. Nothing but stupid right wing tweets. I'll say this as cleanly as possible what a BUTTHOLE!

 

Blogger tha malcontent said ... (4:46 AM) : 

But of cause if it was written by a "stupid right winger" it was written by a as you say " BUTTHOLE!"


Thar really makes sense.
I must remember that for one of my future blogs.

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (6:26 AM) : 

Actually Mal, read what Tim said. He did not say the guy was a stupid right winger as you mis quoted...

He said he wrote nothing but stupid right wing tweets.

However he did call the guy a butthole for saying I lied in my post and not backing it up with any evidence.

Say what you want here, if you can back it up.

I have never deleted anything Mikes America or Dee at Conservatism with Heart have said here even though I rarely agree with them because they are respectful and back up their statements with facts, not talking points.

 

Blogger Michael said ... (5:09 PM) : 

Tea Party members believe in upholding the law and love their country. Those "Liberal Fools" (who coined Teabaggers) are homosexuals engaging in illegal acts.

 

Blogger tha malcontent said ... (6:57 AM) : 

Dave Miller said...
Actually Mal, read what Tim said. He did not say the guy was a stupid right winger as you mis quoted...
He said he wrote nothing but stupid right wing tweets.
However he did call the guy a butthole for saying I lied in my post and not backing it up with any evidence.
Say what you want here, if you can back it up.


I know that he “Didn’t” say that, he didn’t have to... however it was MY interpretation of what he meant.
And MY opinion of what was behind his comment.
I need to be a brain surgeon to understand that. No do I need anyone to explain it to me.
Am I entitled to tmy opinion? If not then go ahead and delete my post.

" back it up"
I didn't know that I was on the witness stand!

 

Blogger Dave Miller said ... (8:12 AM) : 

Mal, language is interesting isn't it?

You see, you put the words in quotation marks, which in standard written English, means you are quoting the person to whom you are referencing.

Now this time, you used quotes for emphasis perfectly, both times, thus, there is no confusion.

Now as for opinion, yes, of course you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts, as Daniel Moynihan, former New York Senator used to say.

The deleted poster made a wild accusation, with no evidence at all to back him, or her up. It was also inflammatory.

Like you would do on your blog, I made the call that the person was either a wing nut, moonbat, or some other type of challenged person.

You should know from my comments on your blog, that I am good for the debate, as long as people do a little work, check their facts, and do not represent opinion as fact. Which of course too many people do, all to often [myself sometimes included].

 

Blogger tha malcontent said ... (12:05 PM) : 

Dave said
"The deleted poster made a wild accusation, with no evidence at all to back him, or her up. It was also inflammatory."


I don't doubt it..
But I was referring to what Tim said.

 

Anonymous Dinah Bee Menil said ... (9:18 PM) : 

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Blogger Dave Miller said ... (6:56 AM) : 

So now I am getting sponsor messages.

Dinah, all advertising is charged out at very competitive rates. Next time, before posing a blatant troll ad, contact our publicity department a head of time...

 

Blogger Tim said ... (12:29 PM) : 

Micheal-
http://www.politicususa.com/en/olbermann-teabagger

The term "teabagger" was originated by a teabagger reporter on Fox news. As usual, teabaggers make fools of themselves and then are angry when somebody points out their own stupidity. Also, the sexual connotation to teabagging is not necessarily a homosexual act if a woman is the "teabagger" and the man is the "teabagee". And even if it was, it is only iiilegal in backward states such as Texas, where it may still be legal to marry your 13 year old cousin. Just sayin'.

And Mal, if you visit that guy's blog, even you would have to admit that his "posts" are awfully flakey and out there, even for a teabagger.

 

Anonymous evelyn said ... (6:14 AM) : 

Arizona’s new immigration law may have been aimed at deporting as many illegal immigrants as possible, but an ironic side effect will allow more undocumented residents to apply for temporary work visas and permanent U.S. citizenship, according to research by the Arizona Capitol Times.
Do you still support the Law, make your voice heard on http://immigration.civiltalks.com/

 

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