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Wednesday, September 08, 2010

Burning The Koran, Is Silence Acquiesence?

Hello, is anybody there?

Florida pastor Terry Jones has announced that on Saturday, September 11, he, along with the members of his congregation will hold a meeting at his church to burn copies of the Quran, the Muslim Holy Book. This despite being denied a permit from the city, making the act illegal, and requests from the military to not do so.

General David Petreaus, and other military leaders, are on record saying that this act will incite violence against American troops in the Middle East and make achieving our military and political objectives in that region more difficult.

So let me pose a few questions.

Where are our political leaders in this country? Or more appropriately, where are our Republican leaders? Wasn’t it the GOP that went ballistic, and rightfully so, when MoveOn.org published that “General Betray Us” ad?

Did not we see the faces of John McCain and others in that party saying essentially that criticism of General Petreaus at that time was tantamount to treason? Wasn't there a hue and a cry from GOP leaders about the release of the GITMO photos because doing so would needlessly endanger our troops?

What about the blogosphere? Normally whenever anyone on the left does something that goes against the wishes of the military, the right wingers go bonkers.

But all we hear now are crickets. Why is that? Could it be that to be critical of Pastor Jones at this time would not advance any political aims?

But I expect this type of response and leadership from politicians and their lackeys. What I am really surprised at is the lack of response from this nation’s religious leaders.

With the exception of Jim Wallis at Sojourners, and those connected to his circle of influence, we have heard nary a peep from the rest of the Christian community.

One might be tempted to say that is because our Christian leaders are rightfully focusing on matters of faith and avoiding political issues. But this has never been the case before as Christian leaders Gary Bauer, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, and even Franklin Graham have all weighed in on political matters in the past.

Is this how Jesus would have reacted? Would he demand total allegiance to the law when it suited his political aims, think immigration, and yet look the other way if it was convenient? Or would he have found a way to live out his admonition to "love your enemy?"

Perhaps the silence from our churches and her leaders on this issue really is their response, in the form of quiet acquiescence.

I hope not.

Update***Late Wednesday Haley Barbour, GOP Governor of Mississippi, GOP House Leader John Boehner, Sarah Palin, and Reverend Pat Robertson voiced their disapproval of the actions of Pastor Terry Jones of Florida.

2nd Update***Thursday afternoon, Pastor Terry Jones announced that his church would not proceed with their book burnings. Read the AP report here.

Comments on "Burning The Koran, Is Silence Acquiesence?"


Blogger Beth said ... (11:38 AM) : 



Blogger Beth said ... (11:40 AM) : 



Blogger Beth said ... (12:15 PM) : 



Blogger Dave Miller said ... (12:18 PM) : 

Nice to see these folks speak up...


Blogger BB-Idaho said ... (4:49 PM) : 

In one of his more sensible
moments Pat Robertson
has weighed in with:
"On The 700 Club, Pat Robertson asked the question, "Can you imagine a pastor that is so egotistical that he would sacrifice the lives of missionaries and soldiers to go forward with it? … This guy is looking for attention. He's looking for publicity. … I think it's horrible what this guy is doing."
..third graders have more sense than the Florida


Blogger btc said ... (4:44 AM) : 

I may be mistaken, but how is one pastor with a congregation of apparently 50 other crazy people turned into an international issue? Is the media really this desperate to find some anti-Muslim fervor? Making a local issue into a global one seems like a bit of a stretch when so few people are involved. Now, if it turns out that thousands of people are planning on joining in...

By the way, I always figured that the best way to get Americans to hate the Koran was to have our women read it. It's an ode to patriarchal society and chattel-hood for women.


Blogger tha malcontent said ... (5:03 AM) : 

You Said:
"What about the blogosphere? Normally whenever anyone on the left does something that goes against the wishes of the military, the right wingers go bonkers. But all we hear now are crickets"

I say, Are you kidding? You must not be reading the same slop from the Left that I see around the blogosphere!
Or maybe you just refuse to see it?


Blogger Lambie said ... (7:09 AM) : 

All we hear now are crickets? You must not be reading the blogs. Or the news.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:23 AM) : 

Hellooooo .... is Dave out there?

the posting says: "With the exception of Jim Wallis at Sojourners, and those connected to his circle of influence, we have heard nary a peep from the rest of the Christian community."

I suppose it is obvious that this blog post is way behind the news curve. I think the only real question is who's left in the "rest of the Christian community" who hasn't spoken up.


Blogger Dave Miller said ... (8:33 AM) : 

Brian, it is the crux of the internet...

Stuff that years ago would have gone unnoticed outside a small community, is now amplified all over the place.

I am not sure America, or a lot of other places are much worse, or different than they were years ago. We just hear about more now.

In the 60's we had lots of folks burning books here in the US and in the 70's, they burned records.

The 'net does force people to respond to stuff that in the past they could ignore.

That may or may not be a good thing.

I don't know...


Blogger Dave Miller said ... (8:34 AM) : 

BTW Lambie and hoax detector...

Nice blogs...


Blogger Dave Miller said ... (8:39 AM) : 

Mal, Hoax, and Lambie...

You may notice that I posted early Wednesday, before the right got the memo to fashion a response.

Both Mal and Beth posted late that afternoon.

It is a fact that when this story broke last week, or even perhaps before, we heard nothing from the GOP and religious right establishment.

It took a weeklong drumbeat of news on this to get a response, and then we had a flood.

Why do you think that was?

Could it be that politics entered into this, much like the NYC mosque issue that was approved months before we saw this current dustup?


Blogger Z-man said ... (11:12 AM) : 

& how long did it take President Obama to get jazzed up about that oil spill? Folks are busy but I agree with you Dave it should be the #1 topic in the right-wing blogosphere right now and it is.


Blogger timmer said ... (3:32 PM) : 

It's good to see the forces of good win in the end...I hate it when my fellow Christians think the best response is that of Hitler.


Blogger Susannah said ... (5:09 AM) : 

Perhaps "crikets" because most reasoned people have assessed this guy to be exactly what he seems: a ridiculous, publicity-seeking nut job...and have been trying to ignore it...

Lack of response?? Why, we'd have virtually nothing to respond to -- were it not for our valiant & courageous publicity-seeking media.

Two peas in a pod, imo, & they deserve each other. The rest of us are just trying to live our lives & avoid creeping sharia law...

Heaven help us.


Blogger Silverfiddle said ... (5:15 AM) : 

The guy's a dingbat and our "news" media should be ashamed of itself for making a star out of a screaming firebug.

I am no fan of Islam, but this violates our tacit American contract that we don't needlessly provoke one another.

If we start crap like this here it will surely hasten out slide into third-world bedlam.


Blogger Susannah said ... (5:15 AM) : 


...and then a president who defends one side's "right to religious freedom" even as he condemns the other's "right to freedom of speech".

How's that for pitting one against the other? And outing the president's preferences & affinities?

Crickets, indeed...should have been heard from the White House.


Blogger Tim said ... (8:44 AM) : 

I do not support the Koran burning or the building of the "Islamic Center" near Ground Zero. Both are in your face moves designed to provoke a response. i just heard donald Trump say that he offered them what they paid for the site plus 25% and they refused to sell. they DID say that they would be interested in selling for $20,000,000. 4 times what they paid. it now becomes a callous attempt to extort money if we do not want them to build it.


Blogger Dave Miller said ... (11:00 AM) : 

Now that many have had a chance to weigh in, give their thoughts, and watch as this event has played out in front of us, I’d like to add a few closing thoughts.

I agree with many of you that our media, [and that includes television, radio, print journalism, and internet bloggers] has contributed to the growth and size of this story.

But that is the beast we have. We are not going to change it, so figuring out how to navigate a world where that is a reality is a must. We are not going to stuff the genie back into the bottle, no matter how hard we try.

Many have said if we just kept quiet, we would not have seen this uproar. Perhaps that is true, but the world was pretty quiet in the late 1930’s when folks in Germany were burning books and laying the ground work for the Holocaust.

To wish for crickets, as some have argued, would provide people the opportunity to carry out acts that they would never consider in the light of day and with people watching.

As for our political and religious leaders, I am disgusted.

For the most part, they remained largely silent when news of this story first broke in mid-August. Not until the last week have we seen the type of response we should have seen weeks earlier.

That is not called political leadership, it is called political followership.

But let’s take a stroll down memory lane.

It was not too long ago when people were called traitors for disagreeing with our President as he prosecuted the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It was not too long ago when the GOP sang the praises of General Petreaus and other military leaders saying we needed to listen to them when they spoke about matters that impacted our soldiers.

I have heard very little of that sentiment lately, even though I have heard right wing commentators saying the good General should just have kept quiet, even though he felt this might endanger his troops.

For me, Silverfiddle sums it up best in his comment when he said “…this violates our tacit American contract that we don't needlessly provoke one another.”

I think that should apply to Christians, Jews, Atheists, Muslims, Democrats, Republicans, who ever. We should not needlessly provoke one another.

And that is what this pastor did. He was not showing love, humility, and grace to his fellow man, even though he disagreed with him.

I am glad Jesus chose a different path...


Blogger Lista said ... (8:55 AM) : 

"Is the media really this desperate to find some anti-Muslim fervor?"

Though their Actual Actions are Less Extreme, Lots of People are Opposing the Building of that Masque and that is what the Koran Burning is Actually in Protest of.

Though I do not Agree with the Actions of Pastor Terry Jones, Hatred of Muslims was Never the Issue, but Instead a Protest Against the Location of the Masque.

BTW, Nice Blog, Dave.


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