Let's go to the Map... the elections and electors...
 Our presidential elections are all going to come down to one thing... the map! That's right, after all is said and done, after all of the debates, speeches, charges and counter charges, lies and dirty tricks, all that is going to matter will be the map. And 270 electoral votes. Because here in these United States of America, you can lose the popular vote and still be president if you can amass the magic number of 270 electoral votes. So, here's my question. Being realistic, what states will Mr. Romney be able to pick off from the list that President Obama carried in 2008? Here's a link to a nifty interactive map... take a look, give it a try, and leave your ideas... Labels: 2012 election, 270 Votes, Barack Obama, Elections, electoral map, Mitt Romney |
posted by Dave Miller at 9:37 AM
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Dave Miller said ... (8:58 AM) :
post a commentNeat map to tinker with. I'm trying to figure in voter suppression.
And I'm trying to figure in voter fraud. A recent court decision opened the door to voter fraud in Texas... might be worth going down there in November and voting a few times, right?
Anyway... does anyone tire of the electoral college game? Al Gore suggests getting rid of the electoral college. I tend to side with him.
DMarks... and BB... here's a question... is either side comfortable with a statement that would allow both of you to be right?
Something like this... Both sides can agree that there is ample evidence of voter fraud and voter suppression from all sides of the political spectrum, both in our historic past and our recent past. Our goal is to move past the blame game and seek real solutions that take into account the concerns of these realities.
Unless and until both sides agree to take the politics of this out of the equation, we ain't never gonna fix this problem.
Dmarks... re the electoral college...
getting rid of it is an interesting idea, but how do you address the small states that will then say, with reason, that they will never see a candidate in their state or that their needs or issues will never be addressed?
Dave: I thought of that question, too. But then I realized that there are right now LARGE states that don't ever see a candidate. "Deep blue" states like California and New York.
Obama has these states in his back pocket, so he doesn't really have to go there. Romney realizes this... and doesn't really have to go there.
I think that with and without the electoral college, we have different states that might get skipped for one reason or another. 6 of one, vs half dozen of another. I don't see the situation you mention being worse at all if we get rid of the Electoral Collage.
Dmarks... maybe we could do it in connection with a reform of the primary system...
That might be a way for everyone to get some sort of direct connection.
Let's not forget that there are states like Texas that are just as reliably red for the GOP as CA and NY for the Dems...
To me, it's a national problem...
Yeah, I didn't add that there are deep red states too.
I can also add the consideration of the tiny states, like Vermont.
It's a low population state, which means that it is one of those states that might get ignored.
It's deep blue, which means Obama can and the Dems can take it for granted and never go there. This also means that Mitt and the GOP know they have no chance there... and they know they can get away with ignoring it also.
But if you did away with the electoral college, there's more chance that BOTH of them might campaign there, because now, the votes in Vermont matter. The state after all has a population just a little under that of Detroit.
The way it votes is now important to Barack and Mitt.
I guess if we want to vote, we need
a national identity card, a microchip implant, retinal id scan,
digital fingerprints, our birth
certificate in our pocket....and
a dozen Republicans to vouch for
our character....
From above, "And I'm trying to figure in voter fraud."
"The Republican National Committee has fired a controversial consulting firm it was paying millions of dollars to conduct voter registration in five battleground states, NBC News has learned.
The move came after the Palm Beach County, Fla., elections supervisor discovered 108 potentially fraudulent registration forms submitted by the GOP consulting firm, including suspected phony signatures and home addresses that matched those of a gas station, a medical building, and a Land Rover automotive dealership.
NBC News has learned that four other Florida counties have also reported hundreds of possible fraudulent registration forms submitted by the firm, including apparent dead people being registered as new voters.
Prosecutors in two counties are investigating possible voter fraud by the GOP consulting firm, officials said." Can't be ACORN,
must be the RoveNuts.
Electoral college, or not, politicians will follow the path to victory.
If the electoral college math leads politicians to ignore certain States, a popular vote would do the same thing, only to different States.
Will a presidential candidate visit Utah, if they are seeking the most individual votes?
All their time and money would be spent in California and New York.
The college preserves the importance of small population States.
BB, what you brought up is an interesting item... when ACORN was found to have done this on a very small scale, that did not affect the actual vote, all we heard from the right was how the Dems were guilty of voter fraud.
I wonder why we've not heard that in this recent case in Florida?